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Jon Kabat-Zinn & Yuval Noah Harari In Conversation

Presenter:

Yuval Noah Harari

Time:

1:17:36

Summary

Watch Yuval Noah Harari in conversation with Jon Kabat-Zinn, the developer and founder of MBSR (mindfulness-based stress reduction) – where they explore meditation, silence, analogue versus digital living, self-knowledge and mental health.

Transcript

So welcome, thank you. Good to be here. We were talking backstage, and John had the idea of

just starting with a short, one to two minute meditation. And I thought, no, no, no, we don't want

to start with meditation. It always messes everything up. And I thought, actually, maybe we'll try

and start with this short meditation. So John, would you like to invite us into that. I was hoping

that we could get Yuval to guide the meditation, because, you know, meditation is a way to invite

yourself to drop underneath your thinking. And then he even abandoned the deranged notion

that your thinking is yours. So it's merely phenomena that's arising and passing away in the

mind, but we take it very seriously, and it's an it's a superpower, but I would say that human

awareness is another superpower that I hate to use this word verb, but trumpsthe superpower of

thought, and that is human awareness that gets not enough air time or understanding in our

common lives.


But I'm guessing that some of you at least understand what I'm pointing to. So

let's just take a moment or two and actually realize in awareness, in the body, that you've

arrived. And so with meditative awareness, one thing you'll notice is,I could have formally rung

some bells and then ring some bells and say the meditation is over. But from the perspective of

true dharma practice, there's no beginning and there's no end to the meditation practice. It's

coextensive with life itself, in the same way that as long as you're breathing the breath is

coextensive with life itself, and it would be very helpful problem most at the time to actually be

embodied in the present moment, because it's the only one we ever have. And yet we're always

out there first looking for something else so wonderful.

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